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	<title>Comments on: &amp; Here Once Again Commences the Deluge. (Wherein Students Grumble Their Way to a Higher Grade&#8230; Not!)</title>
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		<title>By: trevor</title>
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		<dc:creator>trevor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 04:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, he might be Dorothy&#039;s friend, and I expected his reply to be like you said, but surprisingly it wasn&#039;t.  He was really, really happy to have gotten a B+.  And that&#039;s kinda surprising because usually students bitch and moan and ask for an &#039;upgrade&#039; if they get anything lower than A+.  Fortunately this semester I&#039;ve only had 3 calls and 1 email from students  complaining about their grade.  And now I&#039;m off on vacation - a month visiting family back home, then 2 weeks in Japan.  Yay! Enjoy your summer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, he might be Dorothy&#8217;s friend, and I expected his reply to be like you said, but surprisingly it wasn&#8217;t.  He was really, really happy to have gotten a B+.  And that&#8217;s kinda surprising because usually students bitch and moan and ask for an &#8216;upgrade&#8217; if they get anything lower than A+.  Fortunately this semester I&#8217;ve only had 3 calls and 1 email from students  complaining about their grade.  And now I&#8217;m off on vacation &#8211; a month visiting family back home, then 2 weeks in Japan.  Yay! Enjoy your summer.</p>
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		<title>By: gordsellar</title>
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		<dc:creator>gordsellar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 04:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trevor, 

Ha, Dorothy. Yes. As Jeffery says, we most definitely are not in Kansas anymore. Maybe he&#039;s a friend of Dorothy&#039;s?

I&#039;ll bet he emails again as soon as he sees the reply, correcting himself that he needs an &lt;em&gt;A&lt;/em&gt;, not a B. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trevor, </p>
<p>Ha, Dorothy. Yes. As Jeffery says, we most definitely are not in Kansas anymore. Maybe he&#8217;s a friend of Dorothy&#8217;s?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll bet he emails again as soon as he sees the reply, correcting himself that he needs an <em>A</em>, not a B.</p>
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		<title>By: gordsellar</title>
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		<dc:creator>gordsellar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 03:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I&#039;ve seen very little of it this semester, probably because of my anti-plagiarism handout (&lt;a href=&quot;http://gordsclass.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/onplagiarism_englishversion.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;in English&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://gordsclass.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/onplagiarism_koreanversion.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;in Korean&lt;/a&gt;, so no excuse is possible)... 

Or maybe the fact that I very dramatically threatened to kick a plagiarist out of class for a minor offense. 

(And, indeed, said plagiarist turned out to be both anonymous (because she immediately deleted her blog post) and one of the best students, who was very remorseful and thanked me for scaring the hell out of her &lt;i&gt;before&lt;/i&gt; she went abroad and got booted from some program for a similar offense.)

That said, at least three people lost marks in another class, for plagiarizing not on essays, but &quot;panel discussion preparation papers.&quot; I had a series of panel discussions in my huge class, and every non-panelist had to hand in a preparation paper with ideas &amp; questions for the panel, and a reaction paper grading the panelists (and explaining why &amp; how the grades were chosen) plus reactions to the ideas mentioned during the panel discussion. A few people seemed to think this meant, 
&quot;Go to IMBD.com. Copy plot synopsis and paste into a word processor file with your name and student number. Print and hand in.&quot;

But overall, plagiarism wasn&#039;t such a big issue. Partly because, outside of the essay-writing class, I give my students very different tasks -- tasks that it is very difficult to &quot;cheat&quot; on. 

Of course, the MPAA would probably argue that my Media English students violated copyright law in making their trailer remixes and other video stuff for their &lt;a href=&quot;http://youtube.com/view_play_list?p=3343F5BB4D77FB42&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;final projects&lt;/a&gt; -- I evaluated them on their creativity, ability to deliver a message, and ability to talk intelligently about the remix, process, and legal issues involved during the presentation on the final day. 

So it&#039;s a combination of few essays, big scare tactics, and a very clear explanation of what plagiarism is and how I will flunk you if you do it (in two languages) that may account for how little plagiarism I saw this semester. 

Oh, plus, in the essay writing class, the process makes it much harder to pass, even if you do plagiarize and don&#039;t get caught. You have to brainstorm your topic &amp; hand it in. You have to propose a thesis with some explanation and hand it in. Then you must do up a rough outline, and hand it in. Then draft, and hand in. Then there&#039;s a peer review and public critique. (And they know if there&#039;s a shred of plagiarism I will say it in front of everyone, and expel them from the class on that most embarrassing of days.) And then there&#039;s the final draft, which must be an improvement of the midterm draft.   

Or maybe I was just lucky to have a good bunch in the class that required essays?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I&#8217;ve seen very little of it this semester, probably because of my anti-plagiarism handout (<a href="http://gordsclass.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/onplagiarism_englishversion.pdf" rel="nofollow">in English</a> and <a href="http://gordsclass.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/onplagiarism_koreanversion.pdf" rel="nofollow">in Korean</a>, so no excuse is possible)&#8230; </p>
<p>Or maybe the fact that I very dramatically threatened to kick a plagiarist out of class for a minor offense. </p>
<p>(And, indeed, said plagiarist turned out to be both anonymous (because she immediately deleted her blog post) and one of the best students, who was very remorseful and thanked me for scaring the hell out of her <i>before</i> she went abroad and got booted from some program for a similar offense.)</p>
<p>That said, at least three people lost marks in another class, for plagiarizing not on essays, but &#8220;panel discussion preparation papers.&#8221; I had a series of panel discussions in my huge class, and every non-panelist had to hand in a preparation paper with ideas &#038; questions for the panel, and a reaction paper grading the panelists (and explaining why &#038; how the grades were chosen) plus reactions to the ideas mentioned during the panel discussion. A few people seemed to think this meant,<br />
&#8220;Go to IMBD.com. Copy plot synopsis and paste into a word processor file with your name and student number. Print and hand in.&#8221;</p>
<p>But overall, plagiarism wasn&#8217;t such a big issue. Partly because, outside of the essay-writing class, I give my students very different tasks &#8212; tasks that it is very difficult to &#8220;cheat&#8221; on. </p>
<p>Of course, the MPAA would probably argue that my Media English students violated copyright law in making their trailer remixes and other video stuff for their <a href="http://youtube.com/view_play_list?p=3343F5BB4D77FB42" rel="nofollow">final projects</a> &#8212; I evaluated them on their creativity, ability to deliver a message, and ability to talk intelligently about the remix, process, and legal issues involved during the presentation on the final day. </p>
<p>So it&#8217;s a combination of few essays, big scare tactics, and a very clear explanation of what plagiarism is and how I will flunk you if you do it (in two languages) that may account for how little plagiarism I saw this semester. </p>
<p>Oh, plus, in the essay writing class, the process makes it much harder to pass, even if you do plagiarize and don&#8217;t get caught. You have to brainstorm your topic &#038; hand it in. You have to propose a thesis with some explanation and hand it in. Then you must do up a rough outline, and hand it in. Then draft, and hand in. Then there&#8217;s a peer review and public critique. (And they know if there&#8217;s a shred of plagiarism I will say it in front of everyone, and expel them from the class on that most embarrassing of days.) And then there&#8217;s the final draft, which must be an improvement of the midterm draft.   </p>
<p>Or maybe I was just lucky to have a good bunch in the class that required essays?</p>
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		<title>By: Horace Jeffery Hodges</title>
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		<dc:creator>Horace Jeffery Hodges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 03:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In toto, we&#039;re obviously not in Kansas anymore.

Jeffery Hodges

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In toto, we&#8217;re obviously not in Kansas anymore.</p>
<p>Jeffery Hodges</p>
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		<title>By: trevor</title>
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		<dc:creator>trevor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 03:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A student sent me an email that said he needed at least a B to keep his scholarship that somehow allows him to delay his 2-year military service.  I had already given him a B+.  The odd thing about it was the name in his email address... Dorothy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A student sent me an email that said he needed at least a B to keep his scholarship that somehow allows him to delay his 2-year military service.  I had already given him a B+.  The odd thing about it was the name in his email address&#8230; Dorothy.</p>
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		<title>By: Horace Jeffery Hodges</title>
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		<dc:creator>Horace Jeffery Hodges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 23:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Within an hour of posting grades yesterday, I had a phone call from a student who couldn&#039;t understand her grade . . . not even after I explained that she had plagiarized. She&#039;s coming by today to talk about this.

Did you find plagiarism this time in your students&#039; essays?

The question, of course, is superfluous...

Jeffery Hodges

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Within an hour of posting grades yesterday, I had a phone call from a student who couldn&#8217;t understand her grade . . . not even after I explained that she had plagiarized. She&#8217;s coming by today to talk about this.</p>
<p>Did you find plagiarism this time in your students&#8217; essays?</p>
<p>The question, of course, is superfluous&#8230;</p>
<p>Jeffery Hodges</p>
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