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	<title>Comments on: Trolls, Net Morality, and Types of Societies</title>
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		<title>By: gordsellar</title>
		<link>http://www.gordsellar.com/2008/12/05/trolls-net-morality/comment-page-1/#comment-32448</link>
		<dc:creator>gordsellar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 02:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, 

Yes, anything flagged as Korea-related is not showing up on the main blog. It&#039;s related to work. I haven&#039;t stopped writing about Korea, but those interested will mostly already be on the RSS feed anyway. Maybe I should make a note, though?

Kevin, 

Thanks. Actually, the article I mentioned looks at trolling and maleness. I didn&#039;t make the connection with violence too deeply, though I have now updated it -- since it&#039;s not published, I can do that -- because your point is actually crucial and fits a missing piece of the puzzle as I laid it out. That is, the link with male violence makes a lot of sense. 

The connections I made were focused more between inclinations to interpret the Net as a machine, vs. inclination to interpret it as a technological thing to be mastered. Mastery of peers and mastery of tools are both noticeable traits, traits that advertise fitness and create desirability in a mate. So the sick jollies that trolls get manipulating people into reacting is probably analogous to the sense of satisfaction a silverback gets making the other gorillas flee in fear, or that the high school thug gets scaring people into silence. 

I suspect, indeed, the troll is a niche parasite. Where you and I can display our fitness in other ways -- mastery of the English language, for example, marked with publications and intelligent posts -- or mastery of musical instruments, or skillful teaching, the guys who end up trolling are the guys who have no skills worth mentioning, but have a burning need to display fitness on some level. They&#039;re the (less-damaging, but just as pathetic) internet equivalent of guys who beat their wives to assert their strength and manliness. 

Anyway, I&#039;ll link the article from my blog when it goes live in about 8 days...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, </p>
<p>Yes, anything flagged as Korea-related is not showing up on the main blog. It&#8217;s related to work. I haven&#8217;t stopped writing about Korea, but those interested will mostly already be on the RSS feed anyway. Maybe I should make a note, though?</p>
<p>Kevin, </p>
<p>Thanks. Actually, the article I mentioned looks at trolling and maleness. I didn&#8217;t make the connection with violence too deeply, though I have now updated it &#8212; since it&#8217;s not published, I can do that &#8212; because your point is actually crucial and fits a missing piece of the puzzle as I laid it out. That is, the link with male violence makes a lot of sense. </p>
<p>The connections I made were focused more between inclinations to interpret the Net as a machine, vs. inclination to interpret it as a technological thing to be mastered. Mastery of peers and mastery of tools are both noticeable traits, traits that advertise fitness and create desirability in a mate. So the sick jollies that trolls get manipulating people into reacting is probably analogous to the sense of satisfaction a silverback gets making the other gorillas flee in fear, or that the high school thug gets scaring people into silence. </p>
<p>I suspect, indeed, the troll is a niche parasite. Where you and I can display our fitness in other ways &#8212; mastery of the English language, for example, marked with publications and intelligent posts &#8212; or mastery of musical instruments, or skillful teaching, the guys who end up trolling are the guys who have no skills worth mentioning, but have a burning need to display fitness on some level. They&#8217;re the (less-damaging, but just as pathetic) internet equivalent of guys who beat their wives to assert their strength and manliness. </p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;ll link the article from my blog when it goes live in about 8 days&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Kim</title>
		<link>http://www.gordsellar.com/2008/12/05/trolls-net-morality/comment-page-1/#comment-32447</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>G,

Fascinating insights.

Your post is tantalizing because, near the beginning, it touches on the role of maleness in trolling, then moves on to more general issue; I hope you write another post that deals more explicitly with the maleness issue.  

Quick conjecture:  I imagine that the relationship between maleness and troll behavior is similar to that between maleness and violence.

Interesting to think of cultures in terms of &quot;high trust&quot; and &quot;low trust.&quot;  I&#039;m gonna start using that metric in my travels.

Thanks,


Kevin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G,</p>
<p>Fascinating insights.</p>
<p>Your post is tantalizing because, near the beginning, it touches on the role of maleness in trolling, then moves on to more general issue; I hope you write another post that deals more explicitly with the maleness issue.  </p>
<p>Quick conjecture:  I imagine that the relationship between maleness and troll behavior is similar to that between maleness and violence.</p>
<p>Interesting to think of cultures in terms of &#8220;high trust&#8221; and &#8220;low trust.&#8221;  I&#8217;m gonna start using that metric in my travels.</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Kevin</p>
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		<title>By: James Turnbull</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Turnbull</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 14:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rather than commenting here sorry, I&#039;ll indirectly do so by discussing some of your thoughts on driving culture in post of my own on driving culture in Korea sometime next week (I&#039;m sure you&#039;ll notice the link!).

Just for now though, a quick note to say that for some reason this post isn&#039;t showing in your regular blog and I had to go down to your black section and click on the link in &quot;Recent Blog Posts&quot; to get to it. I only found out about it at all (and so knew that there was a link to be found) because of your RSS Feed, so unless you fix it up then being just visiting normally won&#039;t ever notice the post.

Jeez, even my &quot;quick notes&quot; seem long-winded. Time for bed for me...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rather than commenting here sorry, I&#8217;ll indirectly do so by discussing some of your thoughts on driving culture in post of my own on driving culture in Korea sometime next week (I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ll notice the link!).</p>
<p>Just for now though, a quick note to say that for some reason this post isn&#8217;t showing in your regular blog and I had to go down to your black section and click on the link in &#8220;Recent Blog Posts&#8221; to get to it. I only found out about it at all (and so knew that there was a link to be found) because of your RSS Feed, so unless you fix it up then being just visiting normally won&#8217;t ever notice the post.</p>
<p>Jeez, even my &#8220;quick notes&#8221; seem long-winded. Time for bed for me&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: gordsellar</title>
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		<dc:creator>gordsellar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 02:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup. 

(Mixed, but generally positive, review coming soon. Probably this afternoon.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup. </p>
<p>(Mixed, but generally positive, review coming soon. Probably this afternoon.)</p>
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		<title>By: roboseyo</title>
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		<dc:creator>roboseyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you have bean bag chairs?  where/how&#039;d you get&#039;em?

if they&#039;re good, you&#039;ll hear more about that from me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you have bean bag chairs?  where/how&#8217;d you get&#8217;em?</p>
<p>if they&#8217;re good, you&#8217;ll hear more about that from me.</p>
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