So, my wife and I have been working on a couple of translations lately. I mentioned, back in September, having finished up one of them. We just put the almost-final touches on the second one. (We sent off three questions to the original author of the second one we finished drafting, but otherwise, the translation’s pretty much done and just needs some proofreading before it’s sent off.)
The two stories are:
- ๋ ๋๋ฉ์ด๋ ๋ณด์ด by Sunghwan Park (English title: “The Prefab Bodhisattva.” 1 This is a story I’ve mentioned here before, as one of the tales adapted to the screen in The Doomsday Book omnibus film back in 2012. It’s a story about what happens when a robot apparently attains Buddhist enlightenment.
- ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ ์ถ๋ฐฉ๋ ์ธ๊ณ by Chang-Gyu Kim (English title: “Our Banished World” is what we’re going with at the moment.) It’s a story in a near-future(-ish) setting clearly inspired by the Sewol Ferry incident, and concerns a teenaged girl and her friends, puzzling through the mystery of her parents’ weird behaviour regarding a mysterious third party. There’s a definite The Catcher in the Rye vibe in parts of it, with a lot of teen criticism of adult foibles and hypocrisy, but also a big-cavas SFnal premise and some cool, subtle worldbuilding.
These stories are slated to appear in a collection of Korean SF in translation being published by Kaya Press, currently expected to come out in early 2018. It’s a funny thing: we’d actually started work on the former of the two stories before the TOC was fixed for that anthology: we’d planned to send out “The Prefab Bodhisattva” to magazines, but since they wanted it for the anthology, we just agreed to that instead. Kind of a nice coincidence.
As for what’s next: well, work is slow, because we have so much on our plates, but we’ve got a couple of other stories lined up to work on, which aren’t spoken for by any publisher yetโwe’re just working on them because we like them, and would like to make those stories available to readers outside Korea. But I’ll keep the titles under my hat until we’ve finished translating them and they’re ready to start submitting to various magazines out there.
I thought, though, it might be interesting to talk about workflow, and how we manage it. Basically, here’s our process.
Step 1: The basic Korean-to-English translation. This happens in a basic word processor document, a few paragraphs at a time, and none of the Korean text is removed. So it’s a few Korean paragraphs, then the English translation, and then a few more Korean paragraphs. Mostly, I’m not involved in this stage: my wife does it independently.
Step 2: I get the document, and copy the contents to a Scrivener file. Then I begin cutting the Korean text, pasting it into comments appended to each chunk of the English translation. (You can see that in the image below, which is also the Feature Image for this post.

Step 3: I work my way through the text, basically rewriting it (occasionally consulting with my wife, and more often by cross-checking with the Korean original) and clarifying as much as I can. While I’m at it, I try polish the prose.
Step 4: We get together and work our way through the text, clarifying anything I didn’t understand in the original, fine-tuning expressions, and making sure the translation matches the original. We also collaborate on researching anything that is too baffling for either of us to do on our own. (For example, it was at this stage that we figured out the source of the epigram at the beginning of “The Prefab Bodhisattva.”)
It’s also at this stage that we compile any questions we need to submit to the author. These can range between anything from, “‘Phobos Temple’ is a weird name for a Buddhist Temple. What gives?” to, “It’s not clear whether your protagonist’s emphasis in this sentence is her duty, the role she must play, or the people to whom she feels she must execute this duty. To make the sentence natural in English, we need to choose one. Does this sound about right?” (Luckily, because we’re working on SF, all the original authors are still alive, so we can do this.)
This is also where we talk about what to do about maintaining faithful translation when we hit a roadbump, like, say, when there’s an obvious POV violation that will be horribly distracting in English translation, but which the author apparently got away with in Korean. There’s a decision-making process there, though it’s one in which we sometimes choose to involve the author.
(During this stage, we each have an open copy of the file, but only one copyโtypically mineโgets updated and the other is just a reading copy for collaboration, which gets trashed after we’re done working out way through the file.)
Step 5: Reread, clarify anything that wasn’t clear, and proofread. Send it to the author for feedback or approval, if we’re doing that.
Step 6: Implement any fixes that might be necessary, and send it out… and pick the next thing to work on.
That’s how we go about doing it. I’m not 100% crazy about using Scrivenerโit’s great for solo writing, but I find it less than impressive for collaboration work, in the current version at leastโbut I don’t know of a better collaborative writing tool that allows for any better control of workflow than Google Docs. (And I like working in Google Docs even less than I like working in two separate Scrivener files.)
In fact, I’m casting about for a better collaborative writing solution, if anyone can suggest one. (I need something not just for translations, but also for a project I’m working on with another friend!)
I was tempted by the phrase, “The Bespoke Bodhisattva,” because that’d be a hell of a title, but the meaning of “readymade” as used in Korean is much closer to the English “prefab,” so we went with that.↩
As someone interested in Korean-English translation, this is super interesting to see.
Glad it was interesting to you! :) It’s not the only way to get the job done, but it works for us!
Very cool insight into your work process! No idea on the workflow front, unfortunately.
No worries, glad it was interesting. It’s weird there’s not a really obvious go-to solution for collaborative writing, I have to say. I’m assuming there is some great software, somewhere, but it’s not like Scrivener, which at least for me was an obvious choice as soon as I started using MacOS.
์ ๋ 40๋ ํ๊ตญ์ธ์ ๋๋ค. Engel์ web enhancement ์ธ arkana rule์ ๋ํด์ ๊ฒ์ํ๋ค๊ฐ ์ด ํ์ด์ง๋ฅผ ์๊ฒ ๋์์ต๋๋ค. chatGPT์๊ฒ ๋ฌธ์ํ๋ค๊ฐ ๋น์ ์ด ํ๊ตญ๋ฌธํ์ ๊ด์ฌ์ด ์๋ค๊ณ ํด์ ๋๋ฌ๋ณด๋ค๊ฐ ๊ธ์ ๋จ๊น๋๋ค. – ํน์, ์์ง๋ ์ธ์ข ์์ ๊ฑฐ์ฃผํ๋์ง์(ํน์ ๊ฑฐ์ฃผํ๋ค๋. ๋งํฌ๋ ์ธ์ด๋๋๋ค.) ?
์ด๋ฒ์ ์๋ฅด์นด๋ ๋ฃฐ์ AI๋ฒ์ญ์ผ๋ก ๋๋ฌ๋ณด๋ฉด์ ๋ค์๊ณผ ๊ฐ์ด ์์ ํ์ต๋๋ค.
1) PDF์์ text๋ฅผ ์ถ์ถํฉ๋๋ค.
2) ์๋์ผ๋ก ์ค๋ฐ๊ฟ์ ํด์ค๋๋ค. (notepad++)๋ฅผ ์ฌ์ฉํ์ต๋๋ค.
3) ํด๋น๋ฌธ์๋ฅผ ๊ตฌ๊ธ๋ฒ์ญ ํน์ Word ๋ฒ์ญ์ ๋๋ฆฝ๋๋ค.
4) ์์ ๋ฑ ์คํ๋ ๋ ์ํธ์ ์๋ฌธ๊ณผ ๋ฒ์ญ๋ฌธ์ ๋ถ์ฌ๋๊ณ ์์๋ฅผ ์กฐ์ ํฉ๋๋ค.
(์ค๊ฐ์ ์ค๋ฐ๊ฟ์ ์ ๋ชปํ ํ ๊ฒ์ ๋ง์ด ๋ฐ๊ฒฌํ์ต๋๋ค.)
5) ๊ท์ฐฎ์ผ๋ ์์ ํ์ผ ๊ทธ๋๋ก ๊ณต์ ํฉ๋๋ค.
์ ๊ฐ ํ ๊ฒ์ ๋ฒ์ญ์ด๋ผ๊ธฐ ๋ณด๋จ ํด์์ ๊ฐ๊น์ต๋๋ค.^^
์ด5, ์ด3์ ๋ธ๊ณผ ํจ๊ป ์๋ค๋ณด๋ TRPG๋ ํด๋ณธ ์ง ์ข ๋์์ต๋๋ค. ์ฝ๋ผํ์คํธ๋ฅผ ๋๋ ค๋ณด๋ ค ํ๋๋ฐ, ์ฒซ ํ๋ ์ด ๋ถํฐ ๋ฌดํ์ฌ์ ๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ์ ๋ฌดํ ํ๋ณต ์์ดํ ์ ๋ง๋๋ ๊ฒ์ ๋ณด๊ณ ๊ธฐ๋๋ฅผ ์ค์์ต๋๋ค.
Hi Dowan,
I lost interest in Engel (the RPG, which is what I think you’re talking about) quite a while ago. I have the d20 rules for Engel but they’re terribleโit’s one of the worst d20 adaptations around, I’ve heard many people say. It’s a neat setting but I can’t see getting more than a single “season” of a game out of it.
Thanks for the tip, though. I’m sure it’d be easy to use AI or an autotranslator to get the Engel Arkana card rules sorted out in another language now. I also spent some time redoing the Arkana Cards as best I could. (You can find those elsehwhere on this blog.) I just refuse to use LLMs for other reasons. (The copyright and environmental issues bother me too much to be comfortable using LLMs.)
๋ญ๊ฐ ์ค๋ฅ๊ฐ ์๋ ๊ฒ ๊ฐ์์ ๋ค์ ๊ธ์ ๋จ๊น๋๋ค^^
ํ๊ตญ์ ์ด๊ณ ์๋ 40๋ ๋จ์ฑ ์ ๋๋ค. Angelํฌ์คํ ์ ์ฐพ์์ ์๋ค๊ฐ, GPT๋ก ๋๋ฌ๋ณด๋ ค๋ค๊ฐ ‘๋น์ ์ด ํ๊ตญ์ ๊ด์ฌ์ด ์์ด์’๋ผ๊ธฐ์ ๊ฒ์ํด๋ณด๋ค๊ฐ ์ด ํฌ์คํธ๊น์ง ์ค๊ฒ ๋์์ค์ต๋๋ค. (๋น์ ์ด ์ธ์ข ์์ ์์๋ค๊ณ ์ด์ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํ๋๊ตฐ์. ๋งํฌ๋์ธ์์ ๋ดค๋ค๊ณ ํ๋๊ตฐ์. ๊ทธ๋์ ๋ง์ ํธํ๊ฒ ํ๊ธ๋ก ๋๊ธ์ ๋จ๊น๋๋ค.)
์ด๋ฒ์ Angel Web Enhancement๋ฅผ ํด์ํ ๊ณผ์ ์ ๊ณต์ ๋๋ฆฝ๋๋ค. (๋ฒ์ญ์ด๋ผ๊ธฐ์ ๋ถ๋๋ฌ์ด ์์ค์ด๋ค์.
1) copolot๋ฑ์ ์ด์ฉํด์ PDF์ ๋ฌธ์๋ฅผ text๋ก ์ถ์ถํ๋ค.
2) notepad++๋ฅผ ์ด์ฉํด์ ์ค๋ฐ๊ฟ์ ํฉ๋๋ค.
3) ๋ฒ์ญ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์ด์ฉํด์ ๋ฒ์ญ์ ํฉ๋๋ค.
4) exel์ ๋ถ์ฌ์ ์๋ฌธ๊ณผ ํด์๋ณธ์ ๋น๊ตํฉ๋๋ค.
์ด๋ง ๊ธ์ ์ค์ด๊ฒ ์ต๋๋ค^^ ์ข์ ํ๋ฃจ ๋์ธ์.
This looks like a duplicate comment, but I see that you posted it quite a while ago. Sorry, I didn’t notice the comments until now but I appreciate them.
thank you for response.
i just want to add reply for posting about “๋ ๋๋ฉ์ด๋ ๋ณด์ด” and “Engel”.
i write another post about translation with Google Image and OCR ^^
– https://blog.naver.com/ddowan/224060079565
it’s more easy to contact English RPG and Korean Translated RPG. but My children are young, so i can’t play with them yet^^;
No worries Dowan, and thanks for the comment!
It’s cool that you’re doing a Korean-language adaptation of Engel. I’m not sure if I linked it in my post, but there is at least one Spanish-language hack out there that adapts Engel to either the Powered by the Apocalypse (PbtA) or the Forged in the Dark (FitD) system. I can’t read Spanish, but running it through Google Translate, it looked like it would work a lot better than the standard d20 rules put out by White Wolf. I could dig around for a copy if you would like to see it, I think I saved it on a hard drive someplace.
Also, for getting your kids into RPGs, I wish I could recommend Mice & Mystics, but I don’t think there’s a Korean edition and it’s a very text-heavy game. There’s always Mausritter, though! I played it with my group for a third of a year or so, and I think it’s perfect for kids. (And I’m pretty sure there is a localization of Mausritter in Korean… ah yes, here.)
https://www.drivethrurpg.com/en/product/347923/mausritter
It’s pretty easy to craft adventures for, plus there’s lots of free stuff online. But of course, maybe your kids are too young for that, too? If so, patience. I was able to get my son playing No Thank You, Evil! and Magical Kitties Save the Day! and even Mausritter by about age 8.